Hideo Kojima is responsible for one of the more unique pieces of storytelling we have experienced in recent years, in any medium.

Ahead of the game’s recent live premiere event in Los Angeles, Rolling Stone met with Woodkid to discuss the complex process of reverse engineering his own music, the state of video games in popular culture, and how he bonded with Kojima over their shared “fetishes.”

The Death Stranding universe is expanding fast, and Hideo Kojima is letting others take the lead, at least when it comes to the upcoming movie. In a recent interview, Kojima talked about the live-action Death Stranding film,